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Historic Atlantis in Bolivia

Atlantis

Atlantis: The Andes Solution

Introduction

: PlatoPlato (Greek philosopher 380BC) writing in his works Timaeus  Then listen, Socrates, to a tale which, though strange, is certainly true. For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent, and, furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia. This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits; and then, Solon, your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars. But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island.   and Critias described a atlantisisland large continent with a wonderful civilisation which he said existed at one time at "a distant point in the Atlantic Ocean" opposite the Strait of Gibraltar. He called the continent Atlantis and said it sank into the sea in the space of a single day and night. Thus arose the legend of the lost continent of Atlantis.

The Problem: Modern geology says a continent cannot sink beneath the sea in the space of a single day and no such continent has sunk into the Atlantic Ocean.

The Solution: The continent of Atlantis is still there opposite the Pillars of Hercules (Strait of Gibraltar) only now it has been re-named South America.The part which sank was a small volcanic island which sank into a large inland sea in the centre of the continent.

Background: Plato's description exactly fits South America because he describes a level rectangular-shaped plain which he said lay in the centre of the continent, next to the sea and midway along the longest side of the continent.. He also described the capital city of Atlantis which was built on a small volcanic island and also called Atlantis. The city lay on the level rectangular plain, five miles from the sea and according to Plato the whole region was high above the level of the Ocean sea, rising sheer out of the ocean sea to a great height on that side of the continent. Thus we have both a lost city of Atlantis as well as a lost continent of Atlantis.

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Model of the whole island with the rectangular level plain arrowed. The translation from Plato by Desmond Lee tells us "in the centre of the island near the sea was a plain which was enclosed by mountains, and the region as a whole was high above the level of the sea. The plain was uniformly flat, rectangular in shape and lay midway along the longest side of the continent."

It was not the continent of Atlantis which sank into the sea, but the island capital of the same name, built around a volcanic island which sank into the inland sea of Lake Poopo which exists on the edge of the rectangular plain presently called the Bolivian Altiplano. This plain is in the centre of the continent exactly as Plato described it.

the rectangular plain Modern satellite mapping shows it to be of rectangular configuration, perfectly level, enclosed on all sides by mountains and these mountains contained the metals gold, silver, copper, tin and the mysterious Orichalcum" (an alloy of gold and copper which occurs only in the Andes) which Plato said were used to plate the walls of the circular city. The words "Atl" and "Antis" are themselves of native America origins meaning "water" and "copper" respectively and the plain is subject to earthquakes and floods such as Plato said sank the city in a single day and night of rainfall.

Sinking into the Sea

People sometimes say; "How can Atlantis be in the Andes when it is supposed to have sunk into the sea?" We must remember that Atlantis according to Plato was on a level plain "high above the level of the sea and surrounded by mountains". In fact the entire plain has been periodically submerged beneath the sea ie it became a giant inland sea at various dates going back thousands of years succeeded by dry periods.

It took five expeditions on site following
The Atlantis TrailThe Atlantis Trail
to find a location which matched Plato's mountain which was low on all sides and in the centre of the plain next to the sea. This site is presently called Pampa Aullagas at the southern end of Lake Poopo.

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Above left, traditional drawing of the plain and canal system with Atlantis at its centre.
Above right, Drawing of the Altiplano showing the location of Pampa Aullagas where the city should be.

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high resolution satellite image showing canals crossing the plain in parallel lines, CLICK for more canals photos

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above, two popular concepts of Atlantis showing concentric rings of land

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Above left, traditional drawing of the city with rings of land and sea.
Above right, Illustration of Pampa Aullagas showing remains of rings of land and sandy canals when filled with water..

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air photo showing sandy canals when filled with water

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air photo with Platos original geometry. The inner central island is five stades of 600ft in diameter and the rings of water and land are in the correct proportions using a "stade" of 300ft.

As to the perfectly circular canals we had imagined based on popular drawngs, I looked up Platos words again and he said in the beginning..... "Near the plain at a distance of 50 stades (from the sea) there stood a mountain that was low on all sides. And Poseidon, to make the hill impregnable broke it off all round about; and he made circular belts of sea and land enclosing one another alternately, some greater, some smaller, two being of land and three of sea, which he carved as it were out of the midst of the island." Critias 108E-121C (the Jowett translation reads "Poseidon ....breaking the ground enclosed the hill all round, making alternate zones of sea and land larger and smaller, encircling one another") And that was what we found, except that the sea had dropped and the "zones of sea" were now sandy bottomed depressions.

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views of former "belts of sea"

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sandy deposits in canal-like depressions show former inner and middle belts of sea on western side.

"There were three rings of water and two of land"

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middle canal on south east side

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Inner canal on the northern side.

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In the wet season, Pampa Aullagas becomes an island

So here is a site that has all the factors that Plato mentioned, firstly it is in the centre of the level rectangular plain at a distance of 50 stades from the sea. It has the required red, black and white stone. It has underground hot and cold springs. It is a route centre at the southern end of the lake.

But most remarkable of all, the site has been sunk by earthquakes and a Bolivian legend called


"The Legend of the Desaguadero"

tells of a city on the edge of a lake, punished by the gods and submerged by the sea, in exactly the same manner as Plato's;. Furthermore, Poseidon the Greek name for the god of the sea who created the rings of water and land in Atlantis was the equilavent of Tunapa, in Aymara or Pachacamac also known as Viracocha in Quechua, the Bolivian name for the god of the waterways who created the ringed formation at Pampa Aullagas. In the Inca legend, Pachamama, wife of Pachacamac had twin offspring, just like the wife of Poseidon who Plato said had five pairs of twin sons.
The Aymara kingdoms which existed on the Altiplano also existed in pairs, so there can be no doubt that the story of Atlantis had it's origins in in a Bolivian legend.

Atlantis on the Altiplano by Lee Smart
Artist's impression "Atlantis on the Altiplano" by Major Lee Smart

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remains of Atlantis, "the mountain that was low on all sides."

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Orichalcum

August 2004 Akakor expedition discovers ancient walls submerged under lake Titicaca
akakor expedition THE RECENT DISCOVERY by the Akakor expedition
of ancient constructions submerged under Lake Titicaca is a wonderful achievement, but should it come as a surprise? After all the legends speak of ruins under the lake and the history of Man is littered with civilisations which have come and gone, cities which have flourished and disappeared, many due to climate change or natural disasters examples of which might be Pompei buried by the volcano Vesuvius, Akrotiri buried under volcanic ash when the island of Thera erupted, Troy, lost through aeons of time and only remembered as a legend until located by Heinrich Schliemann, Knossos on Crete, Ur, Bablylon, Nineveh and then there are the famous cities of Sodom and Gomorroh mentioned in the Bible but swept away by earthquakes and never located.

story from the native viewpoint...

Atlantis: Lost Kingdom of the Andes pilot movie


Looking into a section of the giant canal 1 stade wide which Plato said ran right around the plain. The canal is fed by an underground spring and has a ribbon of water even in the height of the dry season.

Did a tsunami help sink Atlantis?...

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above, red and white stones at Pampa Aullagas, below, black stone at Pampa Aullagas, CLCIK for stones gallery

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J.M.Allen with one of the stone blocks
covered in fossilised lake sediments
at Pampa Aullagas

Milos Conference Greece 24 points relative to location of Atlantis CLICK HERE

Plato's statements 50 points relative to Altiplano

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One of the frequently read comments is that there were no elephants in South America.
Photo above shows remains of mastodon (large mammal belonging to the elephant family) head and tusks in Tarija museum, not far from the Altiplano.

Another comment re bulls sacrifice, the animals which were sacrificed were probably llamas, since this is common practice on the Altiplano as was drinking a mixture of the llama's blood from golden goblets in ancient rituals and even today offerings are thrown into the sacred fire as offerings to the gods… “When therefore, after slaying the bull in the accustomed manner, they had burnt its limbs, they filled a bowl of wine and cast in a clot of blood for each of them; the rest of the victim they put in the fire, after having purified the column all round. Then they drew from the bowl in golden cups and pouring a libation on the fire, they swore that they would judge according to the laws on the pillar,”

Plato stated that he gave all the original names Greek equivalents "to make it more agreeable to his readers", it is important to remember that he never actually visited the site himself and neither the ancient Greeks nor ancient Egyptians had probably ever seen or heard of a llama, thus "bull" was substituted, just as "trireme" was substituted for whichever type of ship or boat was originally used.

The dating is a more difficult question, some factors point to an early date, such as the mastodons mentioned above, yet Plato tells us that "9,000 is the sum of years since the war occurred" and he is describing the foundation of Athens and the "finest of the deeds the Greeks achieved."

If we substitute lunar "years" for solar years, this would bring the date down to around 1260BC and the Trojan war which might correspond to the "finest of the deeds the Greeks achieved" while the "confederated nations attempting to enslave the eastern Mediterranean" would be what are usually called "the Sea Peoples" who attacked Egypt in 1220 and 1186BC, attempting to enter Egypt both by sea and with land armies all of which were defeated by the Egyptian pharoahs.

It seems probable that Plato's geographic description is entirely correct when applied to the Altiplano in South America, but confusion arises when attempting to interpret other aspects of the story like horses and chariots which may correspond more to embellishments of Plato and inclusion of other legends or forgotten histories into the overall tale.

In Plato’s story, It is not Atlantis which is the ideal state, but Athens.

Whilst preparing for a recital of stories to be presented at the Festival of Athena, Socrates proposes that it would be suitable if some story existed which could illustrate how the ideal state of Athens had performed in war.
Critias recalls an old story which he heard in his youth and proposes that this might be suitable as a base to build upon for the Festival of Athena.

From the “Timaeus”
“Crit. Then listen, Socrates, to a tale which, though strange, is certainly true, having been attested by Solon, who was the wisest of the seven sages.

Soc. Very good. And what is this ancient famous action of the Athenians, which Critias declared, on the authority of Solon, to be not a mere legend, but an actual fact?”

the story continues introducing the theme of Atlantis as told to Solon by the Egyptian priests…….
“Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded of your state in our histories. But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and valour. For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent, and, furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia. This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits; and then, Solon, your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars. But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea.

Crit. Consider then, Socrates, if this narrative is suited to the purpose, or whether we should seek for some other instead.

Soc. And what other, Critias, can we find that will be better than this, which is natural and suitable to the festival of the goddess, and has the very great advantage of being a fact and not a fiction? How or where shall we find another if we abandon this? We cannot, and therefore you must tell the tale, and good luck to you; and I in return for my yesterday's discourse will now rest and be a listener.”

Of course, all of the above may be nothing more than a literary device of Plato, but the fact remains that the geographic features do fit the Altiplano, which has the further advantage of all the sites proposed for Atlantis that it is the only one where the prospective tourist can visit and see for himself most of the details Plato spoke of, the level rectangular plain enclosed by mountains, the remains of an island sunk by earthquakes and still covered by fossilised sea sediments, remains of concentric rings of land, black, red and white stones, the metals gold, silver, tin, copper and the mysterious “orichalcum” – an alloy of gold and copper, the hot and cold springs and finally, remains of mastodons – the “elephants” which Plato said were at one time numerous in the continent.

It would hardly have been necessary for Plato to invent such geographic details as these, if he had known all the details of the Trojan war then surely it would have been easier to have used that to illustrate the finest deeds of his ideal state of Athens, but like he says in the story, the Egyptian priests remind Solon how the Athenians were ignorant of their own early history.

So Atlantis becomes a great power, with 10,000 chariots and 1200 ships although again I would mention that 1200 was the number of ships sent against Troy so in the end the story apart from the geographic description of South America, has elements both of the “Sea Peoples” as the confederated nations, and Troy as the finest of the deeds the Athenians accomplished.

But in the geographic description exist details which could not have been invented. The rectangular shaped level plain in the centre of the island midway along its longest side, the orichalcum which Plato considered “being more precious in those days than anything except gold”, this Andean alloy consists of gold and copper, when the copper is dissolved from the surface it has the appearance of pure gold, not only that but the appearance can be varied according to the ratio of copper to gold so that it can “sparkle like red fire” if the ratio of copper is higher than gold, it can also be polished just like Plato said, and then there are the twins, all the first inhabitants are born in pairs, just like in the Andes where the first inhabitants were born in pairs, Plato tells us Poseidon (god of the sea and of earthquakes, a teacher of mankind), had five pairs of twin sons and the Spanish historian Sarmiento de Gamboa writing in the sixteenth century in his book “history of the Incas” tells us Viracocha – the Inca name for the god of the sea and also a teacher to humanity, had five pairs of twin sons….